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Qtrax Claims Major Labels Are Onboard With P2P Music Sharing (Updated) | Listening Post from Wired.com a#logo { width:272px; height:90px; position:absolute; } a#logo img { width:272px; height:90px; } Subscribe Renew Give a Gift Change Address International Questions Cars 2.0 Culture Entertainment Gadgets Gaming How-To Med Tech Politics Product Reviews Science Software Tech Biz Commentary Multimedia Wired Biz Wired Insider All Autopia Danger Room Epicenter Gadget Lab Game | Life GeekDad Listening Post Monkey Bites Threat Level Underwire Wired Science All Automotive Camcorders Desktops Digital Cameras Gaming Gear Home Audio/Video Household Mobiles Phones Notebooks Portable Media Players Sports and Outdoors Televisions All Wired Top Stories Magazine Wired Blogs Video « Lolcat Artistic Technique Applied to Heavy Metal Bands | Main | Amazon To Extend MP3 Store Beyond the US » Qtrax Claims Major Labels Are Onboard With P2P Music Sharing (Updated) By Eliot Van Buskirk January 26, 2008 | 12:01:00 AMCategories: Digital Music News, Events, Getting Artists Paid, Music Software and Sites, Social Media At the Midem conference in Cannes, France, Qtrax and its parent company Brilliant Technologies Corp. announced deals on Sunday with all four major labels that would make it the first free and legal ad-supported P2P service with major label music. By allowing users to share DRM-protected files with label approval, Qtrax CEO Allan Klepfisz said he expected the service to offer over 25 million songs, dwarfing the catalogs of iTunes and other online music stores. The service launched today, after what Klepfisz called four and a half years of negotiations with the labels. But the resulting deals are nowhere near as firm as Klepfisz indicated they were during conversations with the press last week. For example, here's an audio sample of Klepfisz telling me that his company would announce deals with all of the major labels: Although the company is said to be negotiating with all four labels, and has at least one confirmed current major label deal (with EMI's publishing division), Qtrax apparently lacks current deals with the major labels to offer song downloads. "EMI Music had an initial agreement with Qtrax, essentially a license designed to help them experiment with this ad-supported model had licensed songs to Qtrax," said an EMI spokeswoman. "Qtrax didn't launch the service during the period of the agreement -- I think we initially did this two years ago. We're now in talks with the company about a possible new deal, but as of today, they don't have a license with EMI Music." Qtrax does have a deal with EMI Publishing, she said, but its license for offering EMI sound recording downloads has expired. An agreement with Universal Music Group has also apparently expired, while a Warner Music Group spokeswoman flatly denied any deal with Qtrax: "Warner Music Group has not authorized the use of our content on Qtrax's recently announced service." However, she confirmed that negotiations between Warner and Qtrax are ongoing. A spokesman for Sony/BMG said the label had licensed Qtrax to offer tracks from its catalog on a limited play basis in April of 2007, so long as Qtrax included an option to purchase the track once the play limit had been reached. However, Qtrax's new service offers unlimited playback, and so it is not covered by that agreement. The spokesman confirmed that Sony/BMG is also in talks with the company to forge a new deal. Apparently, Qtrax, eager to make its announcement during the Midem conference, misrepresented ongoing negotiations and expired deals as official major label sign-off. The company certainly didn't earn points with the media over this strategy -- at least one major publication had to "stop the presses" over the weekend, according to one source. The flub could hurt negotiations too. Now that Qtrax has promised major label catalogs to consumers, its bargaining position with the labels may have been weakened, although a spokesman said company executives "still feel they have the backing of the industry." Assuming that QTrax can untangle its licensing situation, it will offer a socially-driven music source for the 94 percent of internet users Klepfisz says do not and will not pay for music online. "You can't change the attitudes and habits of what is now probably amounting to two generations who believe that music ought to be free on the internet," said Klepfisz. "Those people are not going to be discouraged by Supreme Court decisions, they're not going to be discouraged by technological interference. Ultimately, what will discourage them is a demonstratively better service." Songs will be wrapped in Microsoft's Windows Media subscription DRM. This means that unlike the free, ad-supported services offered by imeem and Last.fm, Qtrax's songs can be downloaded onto compatible players. The application is based on the Songbird engine, so sharing and downloading occurs within a customized Firefox browser -- no separate application required. As of now, the tracks are not compatible with the Apple iPod, but Klepfisz said that the service would be compatible with iPods before too long -- an indication that Qtrax could apply the subscription technology Apple developed for iTunes movie rentals to the music market. To get the industry on board with P2P, Qtrax will sign over "the lion's share of revenue" to labels and publishers, paying out on per-download and per-play bases. The site also categorized the music of the world into three lists. One list includes artists who do not permit their music to be made available online in any capacity. "The blacklist is fast disappearing -- my prediction is that in a year, the blacklist won't be in existence," said Klepfisz. The white list consists of the standard digital catalogs from major and indie labels -- the same 5-million-plus songs that are on iTunes. The gray list constitutes the difference between what's available on iTunes and what's available on BitTorrent. "Then you have the gray list, which is that vast body of stuff that's out there on P2P, where there are rights holders, but the rights holders themselves may not even know that a song is being downloaded frequently.... To the best of our ability, we identify the rights holder and pay them a percentage of the advertising revenue. In the minority of cases where we can't identify a rights holder, we will actually put up the song for claiming, and will reserve the portion of the ad pie until that song is appropriately claimed." As with other free, ad-supported services, revenue comes from advertisers who want to target ads to specific types of listeners. In negotiating with Qtrax, with whom some of them have signed deals in the past, the labels are demonstrating an openness toward revenue streams that deviate from the record-store model. "This is a tacit acknowledgment that 'bulletproof' wasn't working," said IDC consumer audio analyst Susan Kevorkian. "And it hasn't been working. But it was an experiment the music industry needed to undertake in order to figure out how to address digital distribution. It was a very long learning process, but fortunately there's still the possibility of finding the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow." See also: Death of DRM Could Weaken iTunes, Boost iPod Leaked E-Mail Shows Music Company Using P2P for Market Research Despite Move to MP3s, DRM Will Haunt Record Labels One in Three Hooked to P2P? Stumble ShareThis lame. Let me know when they're serving MP3s. Posted by: Church | Jan 26, 2008 10:51:12 PM I may check the service out but until the drm is removed, I won't be downloading much. I don't mind the ad support, but come on, drm is not where it is.A lot of user will not use the service because of drm. And Church, there are better formats than MP3, look into OGG or FLAC, both better than mp3 and are DRM free.mp3 sucks. Posted by: Dan | Jan 26, 2008 11:07:19 PM So it's basicaly a p2p filesharing service where I can share my tracks with other users with the labels' blessing. I'm sorry I'll be sticking to imeem.com because It has all the same advantages of the p2p sharing model, but without the problems inherent with content not being available because users aren't online. imeem.com lets me listen to anything shared by users instantly, regardless of whether the user is online or not. Posted by: Baba Maal | Jan 26, 2008 11:30:02 PM Thanks Guy,s the best thing that ever happened , I hope you have a section for us oldies , easy listening 50s 60s Ie , James Last, Boston Pops , etc,.signed B.Wicks./ Posted by: Barry Wicks. | Jan 26, 2008 11:34:51 PM Well honestly this is a HUGE surprise, I mean I thought the majors were really hostile to Itunes and at least they were making them some cold hard cash, point and click style. I thought "ad-supported" anything software-wise is kind of frowned upon by the old stodgy music industry. Looked at a different way this a boon for independent music groups, straight cash through ads for their work. Not a bad arrangement, they actually might get a larger slice of the pie rather than the $1 or 2 per CD model of the past. 360 degree deals on artists to reap some of that concert cash, the music industry is finally changing to reflect the dynamic times we live in nowadays. Actually I have to commend the big labels, way to finally move from the 20th century into the 21st. Posted by: Nexboogie | Jan 26, 2008 11:37:51 PM I think you missed Church's point Dan. Better formats than Mp3 is not the issue. Its an issue that Mp3 will play on almost all portable players. So yeah, good for you. You know some other formats, Better=/=usable... Posted by: Micahphone | Jan 27, 2008 12:45:13 AM DRM? No iPod support? Count 99.9% of the market out then, guys. What a joke. No different than other subscription services - the main difference is that the bandwidth cost is lower for QTrax and the labels because the CONSUMER is paying for the bandwidth - on their own broadband lines! What an insult. Posted by: Kazrog | Jan 27, 2008 2:27:05 AM I think the people who are complaining about the format/system are missing the point of this announcement. With all the various announcements that have been made by the industry and other companies lately, it really does seem like the record industry is waking up to the fact that they can't control this and so, if they can't control it, they need to use radically different business plans from what they've done in the past. These changes with QTrax & Last.Fm as examples of this show the early signs of moving into the situation that we've all been calling for for a long time. They're small steps, admittedly, but hopefully, once they learn to walk, they'll move things on in a far better manner. Posted by: zenon | Jan 27, 2008 2:41:31 AM I'm guessing that a lot of folks didn't see the writing between the lines... By using Microsoft's DRM they are trying to force people over to the ZUNE in order to break Apple's stronghold it holds with iTunes/iPod. MS has proven that they will be anyone's b1tch if the price is right, and the major labels know they can get a MUCH better deal with MS than they can with a visionary like Jobs. Props to Kazrog for his bandwidth observation! Posted by: Island-Dave | Jan 27, 2008 3:30:19 AM @Island-Dave: According to the official site, a beta Mac version (which obviously won't use Microsoft's drm) comes out March 18th. The Mac version is also mentioned in the article itself. Paranoid much? Posted by: jopari | Jan 27, 2008 4:55:50 AM What the heck?! The Music Industry could have made a deal like this with Napster years ago and could have been rolling in so much money they wouldn't know what to do with it, but no they had to go and kill Napster and tick off millions of music fans in the process. I think this is too little too late for the RIAA. They've burned too many bridges in recent years. Their days are numbered. Posted by: TheZorch | Jan 27, 2008 5:37:13 AM @TheZorch The music industry isn't a person. It's silly to hold grudges against it, or talk about it "burning bridges," etc. As an institution, it is bad until it is good, and it has been bad for a long time. Maybe this is a sign of it evolving it to something good, there's no way to tell yet. Nevertheless, this kinda of thing seems to be more progress than the music industry has made in a long time, and I'm cool with that. Posted by: JoRo | Jan 27, 2008 6:55:40 AM finally something LEGAL that actually pays the ARTISTS as well as the labels at no cost to me.The ipod version is 6 weeks away. I can't wait. Posted by: mark issenman | Jan 27, 2008 7:13:04 AM Awesome. I'll have to go try this out, especially once iPod is supported. Posted by: GreatCircle | Jan 27, 2008 7:13:32 AM Maybe I'm missing something, but where does the "grey" content come from? I mean the "white" content is supplied by the (big) labels themselves, whereas the black content is filtered (?) from the network. Does that mean Jon Doe can upload his stuff to QTrax too? If so, how does the DRM get applied? Or does QTrax got a big secret SAN with all the grey content they got from Oink, TPB etc. and transcodes it into their DRM infested format? Posted by: Hulky Boy | Jan 27, 2008 7:14:03 AM As an artist myself, I welcome the model they are trying to create. As a consumer, I'm not at all bothered by DRM. If you're really interested in putting DRM music on your iPod, any fifth grader can show you how to do convert these files into any format you want. If you're into stealing music on P2P, just steal the software to convert it as well. I'm encouraged about this new service and so are others. As we speak, their servers are being crushed... Posted by: Cid Sinclair | Jan 27, 2008 7:20:26 AM "no separate application" Well, apart from Firefox. Posted by: Bob | Jan 27, 2008 7:25:49 AM take a look at this: http://www.spymac.com/details/?2330847 Posted by: Chuli | Jan 27, 2008 8:07:20 AM Is it just me, or does 25M tracks seem too good to be true? When you look at their announcement, a lot of this stuff sure is "future" oriented... Mac compatibility, iPod compatibility... or should we just call it vaporware? I don't see this happening. (And why are they launching it in France, for God's sake?) Posted by: Marc Chang | Jan 27, 2008 9:06:21 AM Cid, I'm sorry to say, but that doesn't make sense. If one is going to go through the trouble of converting all the songs by using a program like FairUse4WM (a program that is freely available by the copyright holder by the way), one might as well just get good, high quality rips that are already available via torrent or other p2p. Either way one is disregarding the laws of copyright, so why hassle with the conversion software in the first place? Posted by: MixMatch | Jan 27, 2008 11:03:16 AM meh, ISP's are throttling p2p anyway, and I don't want to support the industry, we're better off if it tanks completely. As for Ipod support... why pay for an overpriced MP3 player with a cruddy battery? I'll stick to torrents and frostwire. Posted by: Mike | Jan 27, 2008 11:13:11 AM As long as the DRM isn't abbove 11.7.60000 or whatever the newest number is there shouldn't be a problem removing it.. same thing happens with ruckus.. I bet this will be faster and they'll use watermarks though Posted by: Will | Jan 27, 2008 11:13:24 AM Marc's vaporware comment makes a lot of sense. It appears that the mayor goal of this is to push the share price of qtrax parent Brilliant Technologies (BLLN) So far this has worked out fine, the share closed friday at 0,09. Posted by: Gustav Gans | Jan 27, 2008 11:16:19 AM The DRM is a deal-breaker. Someone above said that it'll probably be possible to remove the DRM. Be that as it may, I'm sure the terms of service will say I can't do that. If I'm going to break the rules, I might as well use a peer-to-peer network that doesn't show me ads and gives me the music in a format I can use. I'd gladly pay a reasonable amount of money if I could download unencumbered music without hassle on Linux. Amazon has come close, but their selection is limited, and in order to buy whole albums, I inexplicably need to use their special (windows only) downloading software. So while Amazon has come closest, nobody is making it easier for me to buy music than to steal it. QTrax would be a step backward for me. If they drop the DRM, I'll look into it. On another note, they're planning on paying the labels on a per-download basis, yet they're going to make all their money from ads? What is this, 2000 all over again? Do they really think that business model will work? Posted by: TBone | Jan 27, 2008 1:25:36 PM France? DRM? The Internet was invented in the USA. 99+% of the technologically savvy people who use it are Americans. What better place than France to launch a techno-scam? If it doesn't fly there, just revert to lawsuits in the states. Posted by: TommyRot | Jan 27, 2008 2:06:44 PM This isn't a step forward. It's running in place. Wake me up when they lose the DRM and let the music go anywhere. Posted by: morphizm | Jan 27, 2008 2:25:46 PM the people who say this isn't progress based on the fact that it uses DRM are all idiots and probably don't even know what DRM really means, end paragraph. "DRM" doesn't mean "I can't move this to another machine"-- if you were paying attention, the whole point of QTrax is to legally enable people to pass the songs around anywhere they want. With an iPod compatible version coming around the corner, there's no reason why anyone can possibly believe that "DRM" == "lock in". The Zune comment above was ridiculous. Posted by: gah | Jan 27, 2008 2:40:55 PM @Island-Dave zune doesnt use windows media player drm, it has its own drm which is insane, seeing as how hard they were pushing for play-for-sure not all that long ago,..this doesnt sound that much different than spiral frog, cept this is a p2p version Posted by: Nealson | Jan 27, 2008 2:54:40 PM I went to their site to try it out and they are down. Due to overwhelming demand, Qtrax.com is currently unavailable. Please check back in 24 hours to download the first, free, and legal P2P music application. Thank you for your understanding. Also Universal and Warner claim they are not signed on. Not the greatest launch. Posted by: Christopher | Jan 27, 2008 2:58:11 PM Hasn't Ruckus been doing this, for college students at least? Posted by: Eliezer P | Jan 27, 2008 3:12:35 PM I never would have though they would accept it. No, it's karma... the PC killed the studio business. the Labels Killed the "true Artist" and now the internet is giving us the chance to show the industry that were tried of 30 years of abuse at their hands.....http://www.opentopix.com/topic/tech-news/majo r-labels-allow-music-steal-sharing Posted by: steve wang | Jan 27, 2008 4:15:29 PM the labels killed the artist,what bull dust is that man, come on, www.opentopix.com/topic/tech-news/major-labels-allow-mu sic-steal-sharing Posted by: peter frank | Jan 27, 2008 4:20:35 PM I just can't believe this! http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com Posted by: steve ballmer | Jan 27, 2008 5:38:27 PM How are you people still bitching?? It's FREE MUSIC that is LEGAL, will you people ever be satisfied? I mean come on. This is a huge step in the right direction, just give it time. Posted by: Andrew | Jan 27, 2008 5:49:54 PM What are the limitations of the DRM? SpiralFrog says you can transfer to two devices, but what they really mean is that you can transfer the songs twice, period. Posted by: CutOffYourSlauson | Jan 27, 2008 8:08:09 PM Eh, too bad they don't have a version for Linux in the works. I really wouldn't mind trying this out. As for the DRM, I don't see why they're even using it. I'm sure they'll do away with it eventually. Posted by: Guru | Jan 27, 2008 8:15:34 PM Qtrax.com, the free music download service, is set to release tonight at 12am PST (3am Eastern time). Check out my post on this. Posted by: PositionMakers.com | Jan 27, 2008 10:09:50 PM First, I was surprised by the announcement. But then I was even more surprised by the hostility some people have. I won't make any excuses for the music industry, but look at this as an alternative to the other services already out there. And as alternatives go, this ain't that bad; free music even with restrictions is still free music. It might also be worth pointing out that most people don't have iPods (an issue some brought up as if everyone has an iPod). While the iPod is the single best selling music player out there, it by no means controls the majority of the market. From the announcement, it looks like the songs will play on any other music player and besides, they state an iPod compatibility fix will be issued in the Spring. In any case it's free. I like free. Posted by: Nathan24 | Jan 27, 2008 10:31:51 PM Hello Everyone! My name is William Fleming and I am the President and Founder of TurnItUp Media. While many companies have tapped the ad-supported music model, we at TurnItUp Media have a different philosophy. How about a 100% DRM-Free Ad-based Music Service? The music you download is paid for by the advertisers, so after you watch the ad your part is finished. Okay, so if you “wantâ€, you can click on the advertiser’s link to get discounts and coupons for their products, but that is up to you! With the music download phase of its Beta Test expected to launch before the end of the 1st quarter (2008), the ad-based music distributor, TurnItUp Media, is coming to the market with a respectable portfolio of over 2.4 million songs and counting — all of which are 100% DRM-FREE. Why use any system that restricts your use of music with DRM? Join the TurnItUp Media Revolution! We are currently running our first phase of the beta test which enables users to test the profile system. Come check us out at http://www.TurnItUpMedia.com. Posted by: TurnItUpMedia.com | Jan 27, 2008 10:36:12 PM So I guess now all we have to do is create some software that removes the ad-contents....It's a step in the right direction so thanks! Posted by: daddy | Jan 27, 2008 11:53:12 PM Well, it's good to see the music industry finally realizing that suing every other person in the world isn't working. On the other hand, having DRM in there is a step back. Why download a free DRM track, when I can find the same track on bittorrent or limewire and use it any way I want? Posted by: blackroseMD1 | Jan 28, 2008 2:17:29 AM 7 hours and counting. Where's Qtrax? Maybe they should have launched on April 1... Posted by: Phil | Jan 28, 2008 4:26:48 AM DO NOT WANT Posted by: EH | Jan 28, 2008 4:40:57 AM VaporWare, ServiceWare. All that monitoring and centralizing, white lists, gray lists, black lists... p2p is not meant to have centralized components, you'd have to be the size of google or even bigger to be able to monitor all the transactions on a real sized p2p network (Gnutella, Bittorrent) This QTrax thing has been vaporware for years, and they look ridiculous, it's been a day and the are still not ready after their launch date. QTrax, come back when you drop DRM, even Amazon Mp3 has a better chance. Posted by: Gubatron | Jan 28, 2008 4:55:37 AM It's finally here! Posted by: Kenbo | Jan 28, 2008 5:25:59 AM Too bad it doesn't work. The prog installs but music.qtrax.com is down. Posted by: Kenbo | Jan 28, 2008 6:00:24 AM Another example of 'Big Music' failing to recognize what the consumer wants/needs. I applaud your most recent efforts, but welcome your soon to be demise. DRM is a joke, enough said. As human knowledge should be free, so shall music. In use, and acquirement this will be true, whether you like it or not, it will happen and largely already has happened. Myself and the majority of fans WILL support their artists of choice, but not in this format. I'll take my free DRM-absent high quality downloads thanks. It's time to revise the business model me thinks, as it's already been pushed over... Do not support a format that will disappear in no time.. Posted by: eric | Jan 28, 2008 10:43:47 AM my penis hurts to think abouty how you smell, i love drm, lets sniff anal cavities Posted by: andy | Jan 28, 2008 10:52:24 AM I wanna suck Mr. Murphies penis Posted by: labotinator | Jan 28, 2008 10:53:49 AM qtrax 0.2 download http://www.filefactory.com/file/977aee Posted by: the boss | Jan 28, 2008 4:37:06 PM So...Question, is Qtrax's DRM software just like apple's where if you burn a CD the DRM goes away?? I dont care if it has ads, i ont care if people say it supports MS....right now it is the only LEGAL thing out there that works for RIAA and the people who listen to RIAA's artist. Posted by: SMM | Jan 28, 2008 9:21:57 PM think living leaves trees a real my first let it go. leaf to actually Posted by: landmicrosof | Jan 28, 2008 11:03:05 PM I added some screen shots of the Beta Qtrax software to my blog, link is: http://www.positionmakers.com/2008/01/28/qtrax-scre en-shots-free-music-downloading-software/ Posted by: PositionMakers | Jan 28, 2008 11:16:24 PM Before anyone wonders why Qtrax isn't up yet, you gotta read this: http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-fi-qtrax29jan29,1, 6460500.story?ctrack=1&cset=true For those of you who can't be bothered to read it, the gist of it is that none of the record labels have signed any deals with Qtrax. Which means no music and no service. What's worse is that Qtrax might have hyped everything up to boost market price of their stock... which screwed some investors. Do I smell a lawsuit? Anyways, P2P is too dangerous. Not only does it open your computer up to others, a lot of it is illegal. Just stick another free/legal music service like spiralfrog or something. Don't count on Qtrax anytime soon. Posted by: Dauntless | Feb 8, 2008 7:37:54 PM DRM is a cheap and nasty alternative to giving away free music. As a member of an emerging indie band even I realise that people like to have free music and the best way to enjoy their use of it is in any format they choose. I am against the idea of a service which eventually rids your ability to hold onto/keep the mp3 file that you have already paid for - twice if we take the internet bandwidth charges into account as well. Microsoft even got in major trouble with some laptop companies and is still dealing with High Courts over what rights they actually had to enforce a DRM-hardware based version of Windows Vista onto it's paying customers. They were forced to re-think DRM-based hardware as customers, by the hundreds, were taking their pcs and laptops back to the retailers and demanding Windows XP be re-installed. A lot of these customers were hopping mad they had lost their right to remove music from their computers after so many attempts and most importantly, after paying for the songs. (Even the folk who steal music and don't care about the artists get really shirty when they consider themselves being ripped off by DRM). Having said all of that, I'm no music-nazi, even though most don't consider how much money I could be making if I was being paid even 99c per song... giving away music serves another purpose for the indie artist in an industry still largely dominated by the big guns (don't believe any fool who tells you indies are rich folk) - to get our music out there and heard. Fans and people who end up loving your music are usually folks who stole it/downloaded it to begin with. I have fallen in love with certain artists this way and I'm not overly optimistic us music-folk are doing this for much bread anymore. Record companies have done musicians great personal damage throughout time within the industry by treating us like folks who should be happy for the hand-outs while the execs who don't know a thing about music are out there raking in triple-figure incomes (Mainstream pop artist, Pink, was forced to go work at a gas station at the height of her success with her album "MizzUndastood" - Don't quote me on the spelling there, I'm not a big Pink fan but I saw an interesting documentary on how she hit it big). The artist has always been last on the food chain and, going by the public's response here to the DRM argument, we're even lower on the food chain to our most valued customers - the people who supposedly support us by listening/downloading our music. If I was an insecure person, reading comments like this would make me give up my work as an artist and find something else to do for money, as apparently it's not even worth the hassle.... folks tend to agree with record companies - that we're not entitled to make the most money out of our own product. No, us artists are not going to lie down and die and make the world an uglier place by refusing to make music just because folk don't want to pay for music.... on the other hand, would a hairdresser appreciate giving up nearly 80 percent of her income to the hair product companies she gets her stock from after her hours of labour? Perhaps I'm getting away from the subject matter here, but the principle is the same. I encourage people to crap all over the previous record company model as much as possible by using alternative methods to support artists and bands directly, just remember to be thankful about what you are getting legally for free. (Especially when an artist/band offers free music). My band, Keygen, refuses to enlist DRM or any other software/hardware related product designed to rip our fans off. This DRM thing is just another way of big companies trying to stop yet another failing attempt at controlling artists for revenue. And it would seem some people are unaware of just how controlling DRM acutally is - a few hundred or even a few thousand Microsoft customers were pissed off enough to demand Vista be removed from their systems due to the restrictions DRM placed on their ability to record and store music. As an artist, the most ironic thing here for me is how very IMPORTANT stealing music is to a lot of people. So important that thousands demand to get rid of DRM, lol. So without further fuss, I offer my band, Keygen's free music to you all who feel it's so important to have it free! 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Print 1 Colours blue{To Be Advised} Presentation:- Rolls of approx 2,500 labels. Quantity:-300,000 So that is the Labels i am looking for and also i will like you to go ahead and e-mail me back with the quotes Price of the Labels and the Types of Payments you do accept so that i can go ahead and Proceed with my Order...Hope to hear from you and have a Nice working day. i will like u to make price for me. Regards Marry Jerry.. Posted by: Marryjerry | Aug 4, 2008 4:53:16 PM QTRAX IS A JOKE!! WHO WANTS DRM MUSIC? AND WHO WANTS TO DOWNLOAD THEIR HEAVY P2P CLIENT. I'LL BE STICKING TO FILESWIRE USING FILESWIRE I CAN SHARE WITH MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON THE GNUTELLA NETWORK DIRECTLY FROM MY BROWSER. Posted by: Jason Timms | Aug 21, 2008 4:42:25 AM DRM have become a very integral part of the Apple strategy as well. DRM is a way that lets Apple limit what and where their music is played and on what Mp3 players. 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